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After having tasted high performance sailing in a and now my Swift, I don't find the Laser to be all that interesting. They are a good Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland boat to be sure but I think they are a bit over rated.

Not much else compares to a good three sail reach on the wire going faster than the true wind by yourself. Now that takes some Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland balls and I even have the cat sailors saying wow. I was thinking the opposite. Back in the 's the fleet in my area was HOT!

Same with the , if not everyone sailed , they may be some more Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland 29er's out there where i race. That's pretty much it, I'd rather sail a different boat and see all these potential competitors sailing Lasers and to my eye, wasting their lives.

In some ways, it's a dog and a painbox. But even in our local fleet, we have a guy who way back won a couple of "world" 18 Foot Skiff titles, another who won world junior Cherub titles in a Buy Queensland Laser Boat Sailing Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland boat they designed, others who sailed nice development-class boats like NS14s or FDs, So the sailors aren't stupid, or ignorant of "better" boats.

Can't quite work out why anyone would who think that these people are ignorant of the joys of other boats or are wasting their lives; they enjoy it, that's why they do it.

They DO know what other boats are about, but they also like to sail Lasers. And no Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland other single handed class exists I assume. The reason I hate Laser sailors is that they just leave their trolleys around all over the place, on the slip way, overlapping the slip way etc.

Other people want to Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland use the slip, and they might have wider boats than you. Move the fucking trolley out the way you idiots; Most other single handers manage it, why can you not Cheers for blowing my cover dude Yeah it Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland was Saturday.

How was BM? I am stuffed! Rerun don't act like a lil kid. And alot of laser sailors dont have enough money to buy a skiff and replace all the many parts that break. Im not sayin that all laser sailors are poor but we enjoy the simpler things in life rather than big fancy carbonfiber rigs and double traps and stuff like that.

Yeah I made up that thing, I figured if I got flamed I could say it was from that website:P It used to exist as the 49er tour coverage site. Not sure it is around anymore. As for skiffies and money the word is really an oximoron eeep I havn't got spell check here.

Horses for courses, I give them stick because I can. Many of my good mates sail lasers and so do I. The world is a better place for Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland it! Not all Radial girls are tanks. Having just watched the Radial worlds, and walked around the boat park at CalYC, I can attest that there are some damn good looking girls out there.

Not all of them, probably not even a quarter of them, but they do exist. Some of them are even pretty good sailors. Cheers for blowing my cover dude. Yeah it was Saturday. That was deliberate sarcasim. Also I am 18 Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland now so thanks for the best wishes. Cheerio kiddo Run over you on the race course.

Or your smarter than everyone else and rather than carry the bugger you just push it around. With that attitude you are closer to CF than most. It is a bit like a Huffy VS. One you use to ride and the other you use to RIDE. In the long run, you pays your price and you picks your fun. BTW Laser Sailing Boat Buy QueenslLaser Boat Queensland Sailing Buy Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland and comparing a used Laser price against a new price for a skiff is a bit silly. I wouldn't pay for a skiff but you don't have to pay 10, for a use one either.

I guess you have to decide if you want to be a leader or a follower too. As well they should. Everyone can sail a Laser as many have used as a reason why Lasers are "the" boat. However, Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland not everyone can sail a skiff and keep them on their feet. That is why skiffies think they are special. They ARE doing something that most people can only dream of. I want to try a skiff Buy Laser Sailing Queensland Boat some day but due to their not being a fleet or anyone with a boat near me and me not having enough money i stick with my radial.

But they do look like fun. And "gouvernail" everyone knows you aren't the real gouvernail and not one likes a shit stirrir.

So Fugu, I know you're just shit-stirring, but it's a bit funny to say skiffies should have egos because keeping skiffs right way Buy Queensland Sailing Boat Laser up is "something most people can only dream of". There are many feats in sailing that "most people can only dream of" winning their class championship, doing a major ocean race, sailing a skiff, racing big boats etc Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland but does that mean anyone who accomplishes them has the right to walk around like they're king shit?

No bloody way! Let me Sailing Boat For Sale Queensland 360 say I've only spent 6 months sailing just Lasers, and messed around with Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland them for two seasons more. I find it interesting that the classes that seem to dislike Lasers most are the classes that are very small.

Partly it may be jealousy, but it seems more likely that any class that's collectively too arrogant or too dumb to work out that there's good reasons people sail any boat and VERY good reasons so many people sail Lasers, is also a class that's not going to grow very much.

Yes I am mostly playing. You have to remember that I raced Lasers for five years and even then I thought they were a bit over rated and that some of the people who Buy Boat Laser Sailing Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland sailed them were over self important. I don't have a problem with the big fleets per se.

Where I have a problem is when people, prominently Laser sailors, tell me that because there aren't hundreds of Queensland Boat Laser Sailing Buy Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland skiffs on the water, they are not valid as a race boat.

Because I once was a Laser sailor, I don't feel too guilty talking about them. I got my start in a Laser. I just don'Sailing Boat Laser Queensland Buy t want it to be my end. The big reason that so many people sail Lasers, and the reason I did, is that there are thousands of used boats available at a low price and they are easy Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Boat Buy Sailing Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland to rig and sail. Somehow that fact that they are so limited as far as the rig and setup is concerned, it has been stated that the sailors are better.

It is true that not having to Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland worry about more than one sail, more than one or four strings total on the boat does leave more time to spend on tactics. Now add a fully adjustable bendy rig, three sails, a wire you have to Laser Buy Queensland Boat Sailing hook up and un hook from, and be tacktically sound, there you have something. Just the ones with the big egos that think they are the SHIT or feel they have to prove they're a may with Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland their fist.

I've met many of both and some that were both over the years. As a whole, they are just careless. You can be waiting to pull your boat out at a dock and they'll Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland just ram full speed into the crowd, not giving a crap what happens to your boats and knowing perfectly well what they are doing. It seems some laser sailor always finds a way to be an ass at every mid to large sized regatta I go to. You don't really see this quite as often with sailors of other boats. Lasers are also pretty boring boats to sail.

They're like oversized optis with Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland pointy bows. The fun lasts about a day. Maybe because laser sailors are the ones always winging that everyone hates them and posting threads like this! Not that I hate laser sailors, I was just making a comment. A very small minority of laser sailors are arrogant little brats, but on the most part they are pretty cool.

While I've got the lasers sailors as an audience here though I might just add - you Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland can point higher than most two-sailed mono's, so just remember that if you are yardstick racing ie - don't abuse people for not pointing up when they can't go any higher. I wish I could Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland believe that. Certainly, there are A-holes in every crowd, but I suspect the proportion in Laser crowds is higher, perhaps due to some function of lower average age yes I am old, and fat too, so go on Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland from there or perhaps the mob mentality tends to embolden many who in a smaller group would normally be respectful of people around them.

Seems the silly dickheads in their Lasers call starboard and expect you to Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland get out of their way I like the look of terror on their faces when they see we have this large pole sticking out from the bow.. My problem is that they eat their own young.

It started Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland out asking if Ann was going to replace Page at the top of the board and has turned into a feeding frenzy on themselves. I don't think it is just skiffies that have problems with Lasers. When Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland I had my Laser, I thought I must have had two bulls eyes on my boat because of all the times I got plowed over by cats.

Hobies were the worst. The Nacra guys knew the vaule of gellcoat. Just remember that when tangling with an 18, you may be right but you can be dead right. An 18 running at kts can't drop the kite and turn on a dime like a Laser. Also Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy if you get blasted by a gust, you have to quickly steer down 20 to 30 degrees to keep the boat on it's feet.

Remember that sometimes size does matter and it is better to give a little and live to fight another day than to be dead right. Remember that the skiffs are sailing like a train wreck waiting to happen that is one of the reasons they are so much fun to Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland sail. You don't want to get in front of the train. All you have to do is watch a start at a regional event. Until Laser sailors clean up their act regarding kinetics and propulsion, they will continue to be viewed as a side show at the Sailing Circus.

I don't hate lasers or laser sailors. Neither do I worship the ground they walk on or afford them any more respect than I do any other class of racers. That is; however, my "beef" if you will with some within the class.

Every class has a personality that reflects the prevailing attitudes of its members and the laser fleet has one as well. One, as evidenced by this thread, they have a chip on their shoulder much of the time. Two, there is a sense of entitlement that runs through the class. I think that examples of this run throughout Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland this tread. Their general disregard for others, and particularly other classes of sailors is troubling to me. They do tend to take up a lot of space and litter the facilities they use.

This is usually accompanied Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland by the ubiquitous chant of "but there are so many of us. I don't mean to cut on all laser sailors. The best in the laser fleet are great, world class athletes. The problem is, two many Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Buy Boat Queensland Sailing Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland in the middle to back of the fleet "think" they are world class simply by virtue of the boat they sail and thus feel Laser Sailing Boat Price Uk entitled to take up as much space on land or sea as they want, pushing aside other sailors who have just as much right to resources.

Particularly in America, excellence grants special privaleges. Whether this is fair or not is irrelevant. When sailors all think that they are worthy of this special consideration, it creates a huge mess. They don't keep an eye on whats going on around them outside the Laser racing and seem to tack right in front of fast moving Skiffs and Cats Then have the Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland nerve to yell out Starboard with no farkin notice.

Also tack or gybe in front of you whilst you are spearing downwind at pace with the kite up. Many don't seem to understand how big a Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland blind spot we have and how much our true course can vary with wind strength changes.

Also don't realise how quick we are running and what our closing speeds are. Not all Laser sailors do this but I have had by share as well as other slower classes. I don't hold the class accountable for this, just the individual sailing the boat So no I don't hate Lasers. I believe more education is needed and faster boats also need to be a bit wary and alow for sudden course changes from slower boats because At the end of the day, an injury or death is not a laughing matter.

I don'Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland t think the ego problem, or failing to clear the start, is any more of a problem with Lasers than with any other class. In fact compared to some other classes, there's less of an ego in Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland the Laser fleet here. It isn't very friendly At fleet level it's fun. The litter from some Laser fleets is a complete bitch and when I get back into the class seriously after Christmas I admit I am going to raise the issue and then carry through a protest against anyone who just chucks his or her water bottle into the harbour,as some of them seem to.

It'll only take 20 Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland boats to be chucked from one race to change the practice. But the blaming of Lasers for getting in the way of skiffs etc seems to take it a bit too far. Obviously anyone who tacks right under Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland an oncoming boat is in the wrong in every way.

But the fact that some people choose to sail skiffs or cats or ICs, or offshore yachts with runners that are hard to turn or have a narrow Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland band to sail in does NOT give them right of way over anyone else. To give an example - I have raced a half tonner with runners, checks in-line spreaders, a deck-stepped mast and no self steering singlehanded Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland under kite in races that start and finish in the harbour.

When I am singlehanding off the breeze in a decent blow under the kite, changing course can be a complete bugger and could concievably drop the stick.Queensland Boat Buy Sailing Laser Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland

There's far more of a hassle involved than it is for a skif or Tornado to change course. Does that give me right of way over all the skiffs and all the cats and all the Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Lasers and other yachts? No fucking way. I chose to put myself in that position, I chose to race that sort of boat that way, I have to get myself out of the situation without shitting on people Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Buy Sailing Laser Boat Queensland Laser Boat Sailing Buy Queensland who are playing the game by the rules. I have seen and heard many a skiffy, cat sailor, or half-tonner owner try the "bugger you I'm bigger and so I'm coming through on port" act, and Laser Buy Queensland Boat Sailing Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland then the same guys howl like dingoes when it's their turn on starboard and a 40 footer tries the same might-is-right approach.

They give it but they can't take it. The classic example was when a Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland 16 had the sherrifs arrest Condor of Bermuda after the maxi ran over the skiff. Some of the 16 guys from Middle Harbour regularly play the "we're bigger, you can fuck off no matter what the rules" line , but some of them apply it one way and then scream like a pack of 6 year old girls when it's their turn to get rooted by the rules they play by.

Strictly speaking, you Boat Laser Buy Sailing Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland are not allowed to go down the harbour at speed with a blind spot or a boat that can only make a small course change.

Usual proviso - I only spent 6 months as a full-time Laser sailor Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland but I still play with one sometimes. Be it on port or starboard. They tend to only look for other boats in the range of their own boat speed and not beyond. Whilst there are some very good Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland sailors in the Laser class with knowledge of many other classes, there are also a lot of inexperienced sailors that do not even comprehend the capabilities of Laser Sailing Boat Buy Videos other boats.

As I said, these people we need to educate. I Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland am also only using the Laser class as an example and it extends to many other classes. That being said They also need to be educate in the dangers.

A few seasons ago I did a bit Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland of offshore and harbour racing on an Elliot 11 plus other Yachts and it opened my eyes up to how difficult and time consuming it can be to manouver one of them particularly when they have the kite up So I now allow a bit more of a safety margin with them and will often make early calls for them to continue even if I have rights.

It is slower and more dangerous to try Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland and enforce your rights and potentialy tangle, than it is to just cross behind. I believe it is every sailors resposibility if racing in a mixed fleet or on common waters, to familiarise themself with the capabilities of Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Boat Queensland Laser Buy Sailing each type of boat sharing your waters and act in a sportsman like manner, weather you have rights or not. We also should go out of our way to educate any new sailors. That is right TA but Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland remember you can be dead right too.

I have never hit another boat with my skiff but I also make sure I have room to manouver when I am practicing with the kite. That is one reason I Laser Sailing Boat Buy Queensland like to sail on Great Salt Lake. Often I am only one of five or six boats on a body of water that is thirty miles long and forty miles wide.

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